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Post  Elena on Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:06 pm

A heart that belongs to the child of a Habsburg princess.

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Post  Elena on Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:27 pm

New findings. It has been found that a descendant of the claimant Naundorff shares DNA with the Bourbon.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2014/03/28/01016-20140328ARTFIG00370-l-enigme-de-louis-xvii-relancee-par-l-adn.php

Grâce à l'ADN, l'un des plus grands mystères de l'Histoire, l'un des plus polémiques aussi, est peut-être en train de s'éclaircir. Le mythe de Karl-Wilhelm Naundorff, mort en Hollande en 1845, qui prétendait être Louis XVII, le fils de Marie-Antoinette et de Louis XVI emprisonné à l'âge de 7 ans au Temple et décédé officiellement en 1795, est relancé par une nouvelle révélation.

Alors que des études ADN commandées par les Bourbons il y a une quinzaine d'années - pour en finir avec ce fantasme historique et cet «imposteur» - avaient «définitivement» attesté que Naundorff n'était pas Louis XVII, de nouvelles analyses démontreraient que son descendant direct est bien un Bourbon.

Cette découverte inédite revient au Pr Gérard Lucotte, généticien et anthropologue, et à l'historien Bruno Roy-Henry, à l'initiative de cette enquête dans les profondeurs moléculaires. C'est le descendant mâle de la branche aînée de Naundorff, un libraire de 40 ans vivant en France, qui a soumis ses gènes au microscope du Pr Lucotte. Il s'agit d'Hugues de Bourbon - la lignée des Naundorff porte le nom des Bourbons par «une courtoisie de la cour de Hollande», explique un historien, légalisée par plusieurs jugements de la justice française mais toujours très contestée par les Bourbons. Il est le fils de Charles Louis Edmond de Bourbon, descendant très médiatique de Naundorff, décédé en 2008, que beaucoup de gens appelaient «Monseigneur» en soulignant sa ressemblance criante avec Henri IV.
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Post  Sophie on Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:27 pm

Elena wrote:New findings. It has been found that a descendant of the claimant Naundorff shares DNA with the Bourbon.

I feel a bit uncomfortable, because I know nothing about DNA and natural sciences in general. It sounds so stupid that I have an opinion in such a case without having enough background information, but I don't think it can prove anything astonishing.

So one of Naundorff's descendants has "Bourbon DNA", from the side of Henri IV? We all know that most of the Bourbon kings and princes had a lot of illegitimate children. Some of them were well known in their age, others may have remained forgotten. Then the illegitimate sons and daughters also had their children and grandchildren. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of randomly picked citizens in France (or in any foreign land - people also immigrated that time) would be Bourbon relatives in some ways. But this argument, having an ancestor from Louis XVI's side and a descendant of Naundorff, finding some connections... somehow I can't take it seriously.

It's an irrelevant question if Naundorff had been a Bourbon. It might be. What is the real issue, if Naundorff and Louis XVII are the same identities. With a quick research, I found this document - another DNA analysis that compared Naundorff to the Habsburg side, Antoinette, her sisters and other relatives from the matrilinear side. Their conclusion in fact excludes the possibility of this relation. Here it goes: http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v6/n4/pdf/5200227a.pdf

So I don't think Louis XVII survived the prison. There can be some still living people whose interest is to find some connection to the Bourbons, but I don't think they should use the dead one's troubles for it. I just hope they'll rest in peace someday.
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Post  Elena on Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:32 pm

Those are great points, Sophie!! I love you 

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