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The Children of Nicholas II

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The Children of Nicholas II

Post  May on Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:14 pm

Short biographies of all five, from Sword and Sea.

http://swordandsea.blogspot.com/2009/07/grand-duchess-olga-nikolaevna-1895-1918.html
http://swordandsea.blogspot.com/2009/07/grand-duchess-tatiana-nikolaevna-1897.html
http://swordandsea.blogspot.com/2009/07/grand-duchess-maria-nikolaevna-1899.html
http://swordandsea.blogspot.com/2009/07/grand-duchess-anastasia-nikolaevna-1901.html
http://swordandsea.blogspot.com/2009/07/last-tsarevich.html

Pictures to follow.

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Anna Anderson

Post  Rex from Australia on Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:46 am

Greg King and Penny Wilson's book "The Resurrection of the Romanovs - Anastasia, Anna Anderson, and the World's Greatest Royal Mystery" proves that Anderson was a fraud.

"Drawing on thirty years of research and thousands of pages of previously undiscovered or unpublished documents, Greg King and Penny Wilson penetrate the intriguing mythology that long surrounded the execution of Tsar Nicholas and his family to reveal the true fate of his youngest daughter. They mine interviews, investigations, and court proceedings to uncover the evidence for and against the claim of the woman who became known as Anna Anderson; to understand why so many people, including members of the imperial family, believed and endorsed her claim with such passion; and to find out who Anna Anderson really was and what motives lay behind her fraudulent claim. The answers they provide are frequently surprising and sometimes shocking."

This book is a must read for anyone interested in the fate of the Grand Duchess Anastasia!

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Re: The Children of Nicholas II

Post  Elena on Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:16 am

Thanks for posting, Rex. I heard from Duchess Lylia that it was compelling book. I am eager to read it! Smile

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Anna Anderson

Post  Rex from Australia on Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:50 pm

Elena, my interest in Anastasia and her family started in 1954 when I accidentally found a photo of the murder room in the Ipatiev House in an encyclopedia in my High School library. It intrigued me, and I started reading as much as I could about the Imperial family. Then, in the late fifties I saw Ingrid Bergmann in the movie Änastasia" and for the last fifty years I have read and devoured every book and article about Anastasia I could find, and more recently I have searched the internet websites for and against Anna Anderson's claim.

I truly believed that Anderson was the Czar's daughter, and disregarded the often vitriolic attacks made against her claim! Now, having read and re-read King & Wilson's "Resurrection of the Romanovs" a number of times I accept that she was a fraud. Sad


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Re: The Children of Nicholas II

Post  Mata Hari on Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:47 pm

Welcome, Rex! Very Happy I am eager to read the book as well. Not everyone agrees with its conclusions, however. Here are the recent notes of scholar Boris Romanov from his conversations with the authors: http://www.proza.ru/2011/01/29/982 (The following passage deals with the fact that all the medical personnel who treated her, including notable psychiatrists, did not believe Anna Anderson to be an imposter.)

G.King reject (without any reason, as "little meaningful opinion"(!)) the reports of seven attending doctors of AA (four of whom were well-known psychiatrists) that they (I quote) "exclude any kind of fraud or hypnosis in AA claims to be Anastasia" ("Anastasia. The riddle of Anna Anderson" by Peter Kurth \ in Russian, p .103, 104, on my reverse translation \).
In particular, Dr. Bonhoeffer wrote:
"Her posture, facial expressions and elegance in manner of speaking suggests that she derives from an educated family ... She probably grew up surrounded by a great princess, she was a daughter of an (military) officer or some sort of a court of the tsar's family ... She could not take over all of the books or stories of other people. " ("Anastasia. The riddle of Anna Anderson" by Peter Kurth \ in Russian, p.103, 104 \).
In addition, I cite below the evidences of psychiatrist from sanatorium "Shtillehaus” in Oberstdorf, where AA was in the autumn and winter of 1927 (" Anastasia. The riddle of Anna Anderson "by Peter Kurth \ in Russian, p. 150-153). Dr. E. Saathof (Chapter the sanatorium) in the final diagnosis wrote: "It is absolutely impossible that Frau Tchaikovsky - an impostor." Dr. Saathof also wrote: "I consider it impossible that this woman was from the lower classes of society ... I think it is absolutely impossible that this woman was deliberately played the role of the other woman. Moreover, the observation of her behavior as a whole does not contradict her assertion that she was the one who calls herself."
The conclusions others German psychiatrists and psychoanalysts were the same. These diagnoses are particularly significant given that the coincidence psychiatric diagnoses belonging to one national school, rarely exceeds 60-65% ("Diagnosis in psychiatry," Morozov GV Shumsky N G. http:// www.solarys-info.ru/ articles / article.aspx? Id = 6432 ).
In 1931, AA's doctors Dr Willige, at the Ilten Sanatorium wrote: "To be able to [impersonate another] would require a surpassing intelligence, an extraordinary degree of self-control and an ever alert discipline - all qualities Mrs Tschaikowsky in no way possesses." ["Anastasia. The riddle of Anna Anderson" by Peter Kurth \ in Russian, p.286-287\; Dr Willige's report is in EHF at Harvard.]


And on Dr. Rudnev, who treated Anna Anderson's wounds:
G.King on the web forum (ColdHarbor) tried many times to present Dr. Sergei Rudnev as only a narrow specialist in one area of medicine (treatment of bone tuberculosis), and even as an inexperienced physician and/or a liar.
Probably, G. King did not bother to carefully look for information about this famous Russian doctor.
In fact, the high medical level Dr. Sergei Mikhailovitch Rudnev confirmed not only that he was famous in Russia and managed hospitals in Russia and in Germany (as well as the fact that he was caused by the Bolsheviks for the treatment of their leader Lenin), but also the fact that in 1925 he had cured AA in a very difficult situation for her, when many thought she would die soon. She died in 1984 and she was grateful to Dr. Rudnev all his life. In addition:
I quote the facts about Rudnev from the book "Hippocratic Oath" by Corresponding Member of the RAS G.Domogatsy:
http://www.inr.ac.ru/ads_icons/history/zz/dom.html
"My father told me that the well-known surgeon Sergey Rudnev enjoyed the reputation of a brave doctor who takes even the most difficult, almost hopeless operation. … In the 1910's Dr. Rudnev built own clinic. In 1917 / 1918 Rudnev treated (in his clinic) the famous Russian General Alexander Brusilov".
Dr. Rudnev was also privat-docent at Moscow University (http://senar.ru/names/r/). A privat-docent - a position in higher education in Russia (until 1917) and Germany. Position privat-docent could occupy only a man with a PhD. Dr. Rudnev was also a director of own hospital and the CHIEF surgeon of the Red Cross hospital in Moscow: http://celenie.ru/konchalovsky.htm
All these facts disproves all of obviously biased attempt of G.King to discredit Dr. Sergei Rudnev.
As I understand it, King & Wilson recognized that wounds and injuries (on the head, the body and legs) of Anna Anderson were a much more severe than injuries FS (which she received as a result of a squabble in 1918) - this is why King & Wilson are trying to discredit Dr. Rudnev (who diagnosed AA in 1925). But they "forget" (?) that these wounds and injuries (of AA) were also described in March 1920 at the clinic in Daldorfe.


More here: http://www.proza.ru/2008/08/15/173

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.talk.royalty/2011-02/msg00087.html

Very interesting!!

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Re: The Children of Nicholas II

Post  Elena on Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:53 pm

Interesting, Mata. Rex, I did a lot of graduate work on the murder of the Romanovs and I also read everything there was about the mystery of Anastasia Manahan alias Anna Anderson. I have heard mixed things about the book. I really am going to have to read it very soon!! study

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Post  princess garnet on Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:10 pm

Has anyone else read The Romanovs: the Final Chapter by Robert K. Massie? It's the companion book to Nicholas & Alexandra. (I own both in paperback) It's well-written and helped to debunk the Anastasia/Anna Anderson myth.

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Post  Elena on Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:40 pm

I started to read it but didn't like it because I did not think Massie had all of the facts of the case straight. I do generally like his work, though. I am dying to read his new bio of Catherine the Great! Very Happy

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Anna Anderson

Post  Rex from Australia on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:49 pm

Can I say here that Boris Romanov is a Russian intellectual who has argued vehemently with Greg King and others on the Coldharbor group site about "The Resurrection of the Romanovs". Greg has been extremely patient and obliging towards him, answering all his questions and protestations about Anna Anderson and the book. Boris monopolised the discussions and flooded the site with his emails. I am sure that if he finds this site, the same will happen here. affraid

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Re: The Children of Nicholas II

Post  Mata Hari on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:07 am

Thanks for the warning. Wink

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Re: The Children of Nicholas II

Post  May on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:05 pm


Olga, Tatiana and Maria as little girls.

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Post  May on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:09 pm


Olga as a young lady.

Olga and Tatiana.

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Post  May on Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:14 pm



Two portraits of Grand Duchess Maria.

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Post  Mata Hari on Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:38 pm

Wonderful photos! I never realized Maria's hair was quite so blond! Smile

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Virginia Rounding's Book

Post  Elena on Fri May 18, 2012 7:09 pm

Here is my review of the new biography of Nicholas and Alexandra by Virginia Rounding, a scholar who knows Russian language and history quite well.

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2012/05/alix-and-nicky-passion-of-last-tsar-and.html
Virginia Rounding offers a fresh look at the relationship of Tsar Nicholas II and Alexandra (Alix) his Empress, their accomplishments and fatal flaws, in this intriguing biographical study. For those not familiar with the Romanovs, there is enough background not to get lost. For those who are familiar with the topic, Rounding provides unique insights focusing on aspects of the imperial marriage and political policies too often ignored.

Rounding explores Nicholas’ political achievements and his oft-demeaned temperament and Alix’s mysterious, incapacitating ailments. While her symptoms are usually claimed to be the result of hysteria, Rounding surmises that the Empress may have had some genuine health issues, together with emotional instability. The strange dynamic between the imperial couple and Alix’s friend Anna Vyrubova is scrutinized in detail. Alix’s belief in Rasputin is blamed for precipitating the catastrophes which followed, not so much what Rasputin did as what he was perceived to have done by the public. Most enlightening is the treatment of the spiritual lives of Nicky and Alix and how their faith flowed into their love for each other. As a stirring portrait of a marriage, this book is second to none.


http://www.amazon.com/dp/031238100X/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=httpteaattria-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=031238100X&adid=0Y0MDT196SAAGF1SRTFA&&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fteaattrianon.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F05%2Falix-and-nicky-passion-of-last-tsar-and.html

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