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Post  Elena on Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:46 pm

Elisabeth of Bavaria, Empress of Austria, has become of one the most iconic figures of the nineteenth century. In spite of her numerous eccentricities, many of which she shared with her favorite cousin King Ludwig IIof Bavaria, Elisabeth was and is a greatly beloved figure both in her native land and in her adopted country. She was and is especially beloved to the Hungarians, on whose behalf she interceded. Like Marie-Antoinette, Elisabeth detested court protocol, having been raised in a free and easy environment. In Sissi's case, it was the court of Austria she found stiff and suffocating, which is surprising since the Habsburgs were not such sticklers for etiquette like the Bourbons. Unlike Marie-Antoinette, who only went a few yards away to Petit Trianon for refuge, Elisabeth wandered the world, going to places like Ireland and Corfu, leaving her husband and children behind. She insisted upon going about as a private citizen, with only one lady-in-waiting in attendance, which is how she eventually came to be assassinated. Nevertheless, her beauty, her inner suffering, the loss of her son to suicide, and her violent death make hers a tragic and mysterious life to contemplate. To quote a poem she wrote in her diary:

An endless lake
Is my soul: I see no end to it.

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2010/03/sissi-myth-and-history.html






My posts on the "Sissi" films:

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2011/01/sissi-1955.html

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2011/01/sisi-young-empress-1956.html

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2011/01/sissi-fateful-years-of-empress-1957.html

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Post  May on Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:14 am

She is so beautiful, but watching the films I almost thought Romy Schneider was even more beautiful! sunny
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Post  Elena on Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:31 am

Romy was perhaps more cheerful, I think. Wink

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Post  May on Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:41 pm

The Italian diplomat and politician, Count Sforza, in Makers of Modern Europe, drew an interesting comparison between Sisi and her niece and namesake Queen Elisabeth of Belgium:

Artistically gifted- [the Belgian queen] is musical, she paints, and she feels poetry very deeply- one would be tempted to trace these gifts to her descent from the House of Wittelsbach, the members of which have, for generations, been such devoted patrons of art. But this explanation does not explain the personality of Elisabeth, far from it. What is admirable in her is that, keenly perceptive as she is of beauty, she has nothing of that morbid Wittelsbach estheticism that characterized her unfortunate aunt, the Empress Elisabeth of Austria. Elisabeth of Austria made a refuge for herself at the Achilleion in Corfu, and dreamed exquisite dreams there. But she deserted the heavy duties her station in life entailed, the Hofburg in Vienna seemed a prison to her. The new Elisabeth of Bavaria- she was named after her imperial aunt- on the contrary, unites with an exquisitely artistic nature, not only an honest forbearance for her royal task, but also a healthy simple joy in fulfilling it, every time she feels she can do good or be useful- which means every hour of the day.

I think the character of Elisabeth of Belgium provides an insight into the way Sisi might have been, had she lived in different circumstances and made different choices.
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Post  Elena on Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:18 pm

I love Sisi, but sometimes I think she was not right in the head. No

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Post  Sophie on Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:38 pm

No, she wasn't. I like her, I admire her free soul, but I see her many faults as well. Many, many faults... Yeah, she loved my nation - just because her hated mother-in-law was mostly against Hungarians, as she wanted to do everything in another way as Princess Sophie. Her husband was deeply in love with her, and she treated him like a fool. Although Elisabeth had many difficulties because of her mother-in-law, she was really cruel to her own daughter-in-law, the poor Stephanie, too. She loved to be adored by young men and she felt anger when she heard that these men are getting married instead of loving her till death. It was only one person in her life: herself - her beauty, her health, her feelings were the most important for her, and nothing else. And the biggest fault IMO: she was a bad mother. She enjoyed her time travelling alone, while she let her children be without her. There were only few times in her life when she found them important. OK, there was a strong etiquette at the Court, but if she had really disliked it that way, she would have fought for spending more time with little Sophie, Gisela, Rudolph and Marie-Valerie, wouldn't her? Well... that's the sad truth. (These infos are coming again mostly from Péter Hahner's book, and from other Hungarian historical books.)

And that's why I don't like comparing her to Marie-Antoinette. Elisabeth was selfish and she never cared about family life. Antoinette was an emotional woman, too, but she loved her family and friends instead of admiring herself. Antoinette was a really good mother who never wanted to let her children alone, even if she needed to remain in a prison and die because of that. And, again, I like Elisabeth, because she is our Queen, and I find the Romy Schneider movie lovely, too. I simply don't idolize her and accept that she had "mental" problems.


This is her coronation dress (1867)


The coronation is the symbolic birth of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, as the Hungarians accepted the Emperor as Hungarian King, too, 19 years after the bitter-ended freedom fight.


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Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:50 pm

Thanks for the additional pics, Sophie! Very Happy I agree that she should not be compared to MA. Poor MA never left her children until they were dragged away from her or she from them. MA never even left the palace grounds; she only went as far as Petit Trianon, while Elizabeth traveled the world. silent

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Post  May on Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:32 pm

Yes, people compare Marie-Antoinette to all sorts of people too easily. Michelle Obama, Diana Spencer...it seems that any rather glamorous lady at the top of society gets equated to the Martyr-Queen, which is hardly appropriate or commensurate.
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Post  Mata Hari on Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:40 pm

Hardly. pale

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Post  Mata Hari on Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:53 pm

There is a new tumblr on Elisabeth of Bavaria. It has some great pictures and poetry. http://empresstitania.tumblr.com/

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Post  May on Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:01 pm

How wonderful! Thank you!
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Post  Elena on Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:13 pm

Here is the body of the Empress following her murder.

From Louis XX:
13h35, le 10 septembre 1898 à Genève, en sortant de l’hôtel Beau-Rivage, situé face au lac Léman, au bras de sa dame de compagnie la comtesse Irma Sztáray, l'impératrice Élisabeth d'Autriche-Hongrie était assassiné d'un coup de tournevis dans l'abdomen par l'anarchiste italien Luigi Luccheni, dont le seul but était de se faire un nom en accomplissant une action éclatante (complexe d'Érostrate). Luccheni voulait assassiner le duc d'Orléans mais celui-ci avait changé son emploi du temps. Il s'est « rabattu » sur l'impératrice, qui décèdera à 14h40 dans les bras de Fanny Mayer, l'épouse du propriétaire de l'hôtel.
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Post  May on Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:55 pm

Sad picture. Crying or Very sad 
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