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Post  Elena on Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:24 pm

Here is a picture I found on Anna Amber's site, along with some interesting information.http://vivelareine.tumblr.com/post/11584753502
Portrait of Marie Antoinette, Queen of France (1755-1793), three-quarter-length, seated, at the Conciergerie, Paris, in mourning, with a cameo pendant portraying the Dauphin, holding a life of Mary, Queen of Scots, a bust of Louis XVI and the Testament of 23 December 1792 on the draped table beside inscribed ‘HIS.DE LA.M. DE STUAR[T]’ (lower centre, on the book)

I never knew she was reading a book about Mary Queen of Scots. Exclamation

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Post  May on Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:07 pm

Marie-Antoinette as Erato, painted by Ludwig Guttenbrunn in 1788:


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Re: Marie-Antoinette in Art

Post  Sophie on Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:44 am

I visited Schloss Schönbrunn a few weeks ago. I rarely can't count how many times I saw all the gardens, the imperial rooms and the paintings on the walls. I supposed I know every Marie-Antoinette-portraits there, but now I became shocked. Under a well-known Antoinette portrait I found a new board: "Maria Josepha". I had such a face: Shocked By the time of my last visit inside, in 2008, it was still Antoinette's name there! But well, according to the new researches, it's Josepha. Here's an article about it, I've just found it a few minutes ago: http://marie--antoinette.blogspot.com/2010/04/maria-josepha-oder-doch-marie.html

And another funny detail: years ago, my father bought me an original English copy of Antonia Fraser's Marie Antoinette biography, with this portrait on the cover. They rather have to choose another one for the next edition...

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Re: Marie-Antoinette in Art

Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:49 am

Matterhorn, I LOVE that picture! I love you


Sophie! So this is NOT Marie-Antoinette? Shocked


You know, it makes sense because they always say that it is a picture of MA at the age of 12 and she looks far older than 12, especially when MA, by all reports, was immature for her age. Thank you for letting us know. I think there are some more pictures that are not really MA but one of her sisters. I will try to find them.

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Post  Sophie on Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:44 pm

I don't know how they managed to find out that she's Josepha. The article mentions that the portrait was painted in the same year when Josepha died, and the painter possibly tried to change it to show her little sister. But I don't think it could really succeed because Josepha was much older. Well, I've already read about how people played with the portraits. A good example is Goya's work (1800) of the Spanish royal family (the king's daughter-in-law secretly turns his head away, because in this year of the painting the family haven't decided so far, which foreign princess will be the best wife for the crownprince bom ). So I can accept this "double portrait" theory, but if I had to choose I would say that it's more likely to be Josepha.

But this piece of the Schönbrunn collection shows surely Marie-Antoinette:


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Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:39 pm

Here is a picture which is commonly passed off as a picture of Marie-Antoinette when she was about seven.



However, someone (somewhere) scratch told me that it is really her sister the Archduchess Johanna, which would make sense, since the sitter appears to be older than seven. Idea

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Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:32 pm



This picture of Madame Sophie, one of the younger daughters of Louis XV, is commonly passed off as Marie-Antoinette. Catherine Delors explains why it is not the Queen.
http://blog.catherinedelors.com/la-petite-reine-is-not-marie-antoinette/
The painting belongs to the Musée de Reims (yes, right in the middle of Champagne country) and the curators there took a close look at the eyes of the subject. They were brownish green! This in itself ruled out Marie-Antoinette, whose eyes were undoubtedly blue. The artist, Lié-Louis Périn-Salbreux, had been commissioned to paint portraits of several members of the royal family, and he would not have misrepresented such an important detail.

Furthermore the neck-high lace palatine (kerchief) worn by the model was typical of the attire of mature ladies. The date of the painting is attested as 1776. Marie-Antoinette was 21 then, and very fond of youthful attributes, clothing and companions. She would certainly never have sat for her portrait in what we would call “old lady’s clothes.”

So who is this lady in the blue dress? The setting of the portrait would seem to be the little library built at Versailles for Madame Sophie, daughter of Louis XV and aunt of Louis XVI. The room no longer exists, but its distinctive flooring was identified thanks to various engravings. So this is now considered a portrait of Madame Sophie, then aged 42. She died in 1782, a few years before the Revolution.

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Post  Sophie on Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:55 pm

The Queen at Trianon, relaxing Rolling Eyes I think the two other ladies must be Lamballe (right) and Polignac (left)...


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Re: Marie-Antoinette in Art

Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:06 pm


http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2008/08/portrait-of-queen.html
http://blog.catherinedelors.com/marie-antoinettes-best-likeness/
This 1788 portrait of Marie-Antoinette by Adolf Ulrik Wertmüller is said to be the best likeness of Marie-Antoinette. According to Madame Delors:
Indeed, according to Madame Campan‘s Memoirs, this is, along with the more famous portrait of the Queen with her children by Madame Vigee-Lebrun, the best likeness of Marie-Antoinette.

Madame Campan, as the Queen’s Premiere Femme de Chambre, or First Chambermaid, saw Marie-Antoinette on a daily basis. I trust her judgment on the matter of the likeness.

You can see a shift in the manner in which Marie-Antoinette chose to be depicted, one short year before the Revolution. For one thing, the emphasis is no longer on ornate dresses, giant paniers or shimmering fabrics. Neither is the Queen dressed “en gaulle,” in a simple white linen gown. That portrait, beautiful as it is, was the
subject of much derision. People remarked jokingly that the Queen had been painted in her chemise.

Here Marie-Antoinette seems to be wearing a simple riding habit. No accusations of immodesty can be made because her kerchief comes up to her chin.

The sobriety and dark colors of the clothing shift the attention to the Queen’s face. The features are also different from earlier images. The nose is less small and straight, the lips are thicker, the eyes more prominent than in Madame Lebrun’s idealized portraits.

But I read a lot of energy and determination in these eyes, no longer dreamy, in the manner in which the head is proudly held backwards. This is the Queen who will assume a foremost political role during the Revolution. I believe that Madame Campan is right. Here at last we get a glimpse of the real Marie-Antoinette.
http://blog.catherinedelors.com/marie-antoinettes-best-likeness/
In the famous ensemble painting by Elisabeth Vigée-Lebrun, the queen is shown wearing only a few pearls, while sitting near the jewel cabinet. The symbolism of this has been discussed by J.M. Charles-Roux and by some art historians. It was to emphasize that for Marie-Antoinette her children were her true jewels. When the painting was begun in 1786, the queen was expecting baby Sophie; the gown she is wearing is a maternity gown, as can be seen by the open and adjustable front. The emphasis of the painting was supposed to be the other children getting the cradle ready for the new baby. However, by the time the picture was completed in 1788, little Sophie had been born and had died. Hence, the cradle is shrouded in mourning cloth.

After the death of her oldest son Louis-Joseph, Marie-Antoinette had the image hidden away; she could not bear the sight of it. Nevertheless, it was considered a highly accurate likeness of her. Louis XVI declared to the artist when first gazing at the portrait of his wife and children: "I do not understand much about painting, but you make me love it."



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Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:09 pm

Sophie wrote:The Queen at Trianon, relaxing Rolling Eyes I think the two other ladies must be Lamballe (right) and Polignac (left)...


Lovely! Very Happy I've never seen this one. The ladies have their skirts turned up and pinned in the back, with the petticoat showing. Which is what women did when they did not want their skirts to trail on the ground, for whatever reason.

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Post  May on Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:30 pm

Yes, this is a wonderful drawing. I think we should also have a "Louis XVI in Art" thread. I am thinking of that Alexandre Roslin painting...

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Post  Elena on Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:33 pm

Please do start one, and start with the Roslin portrait! Very Happy

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Another Kucharski

Post  Elena on Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:37 pm


I never saw this picture before. It's from:
http://maria-antonia.justgoo.com/t1333-marie-antoinette-au-diademe-de-1788
http://vivelareine.tumblr.com/post/12301942494

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Post  May on Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:40 pm

Really handsome!

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Post  princess garnet on Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:12 pm

It's new to me as well--magnifique! queen

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