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Post  May on Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:17 pm

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A review of Sofia Coppola's Marie Antoinette, by Elena Maria Vidal. She did not care for the film...Neither do I.

http://teaattrianon.blogspot.com/2007/05/review-of-marie-antoinette-2006.html
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Post  Elena on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:02 pm

Thanks, Mata. I do like the mention of Louis XVI in such a positive way. But it is not true that Marie-Antoinette was having an "affair" with Madame de Polignac. No Rolling Eyes People don't understand devoted friendship

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Re: Marie-Antoinette in Film

Post  MadameRoyale on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:23 pm

Seeing the photos come up on Tumblr made me excited to watch the film. But when I saw the trailer that was recently released, I completely changed my mind. My young cousin chose Marie Antoinette as a topic for a school project and she asked me if there was a movie she could watch for help since most of the novels available are beyond her reading level. I told her no, and leant her a smaller book I found a few years ago called Walks Through Marie Antoinette's Paris. She tried reading Antonia Fraser's account and said she fell asleep. I laughed when she asked me how I read the whole thing. Razz I wish there was a film I could show her that I was comfortable would not spread lies or have provocative scenes that aren't appropriate for children to see.
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Post  Elena on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:25 pm

The old 1938 film is what I watched as a child and I loved it. It has inaccuracies but captures the gist of the Queen's life.

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Post  MadameRoyale on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:44 pm

I caught the tail end of it on TV last year. But I haven't been able to find it in libraries or stores. Crying or Very sad I shall have to purchase it on Amazon, I think. Very Happy
Although in French I really loved L'Evasion de Louis XVI! The actor who played Louis XVI was excellent!
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Post  Elena on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:28 pm

I've been wanting to see that. I hope they have it on Netflix.

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Re: Marie-Antoinette in Film

Post  Sophie on Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:12 pm

This L'Evasion film is my old dream to watch, I found the trailer and some fan videos on Youtube. I really like the way they portray Louis and the tenderness among him and his family. The only thing I didn't like (very suprising Wink) that the trailer had a line referring to Louis' "jealousy" of Fersen... but I still hope that's only a trailer marketing trick and isn't really in the story.

But this Farewell My Queen film... I'm VERY disappointed. And is the novel author the same Chantal Thomas who wrote an essay about the pornographic (partly lesbian) pamphlets attacking on the Queen? How could she let it? Neutral This was my last hope. I'm very far from close-mindedness or homophoby but it's simply inaccurate. Why didn't they choose (for example) Maria Theresa's second daughter Christina and Joseph II's wife Isabella? Their "friendship" were so suspicious that even the Empress felt awkward, and it's a historical fact that Isabella hated her marriage with Joseph (she wrote it down very honestly). So there are lesbian royal stories, and hedonist stories and love stories and so on... is only Marie-Antoinette famous enough to get all this stories? What a Face
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Post  Elena on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:44 pm

If they wanted a lesbian angle the Comtesse de Provence was famous for her infatuation with Madame de Gourbillon. Why do they have to make Marie-Antoinette the center of every fantasy? Rolling Eyes

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Post  Mata Hari on Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:41 pm


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Post  Elena on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:55 pm

It's silly, really. The book is strong enough to stand on its own without the sapphic element, for heaven's sake. And I think Diane Kruger's performance is quite powerful without the overemphasis on Madame de Polignac. However, I would really have to see the film before drawing conclusions. The media likes to stir things up to get attention. Rolling Eyes

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Post  Mata Hari on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:00 pm

Some reviews of Les Adieux. I'm not liking this movie. But at least we are spared the Fersen fantasy.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Review+Adieux+Reine/6784011/story.html
MONTREAL - Léa Seydoux, Diane Kruger and Virginie Ledoyen are gorgeous in Les Adieux à la Reine. But that you already guessed for the very simple reason that Seydoux, Kruger and Ledoyen are always gorgeous.

And this film chronicling life at Versailles right smack in the midst of the French Revolution is also gorgeous and not just thanks to the three stunning actresses. Co-writer and director Benoît Jacquot films the Royal court in all its pomp and majesty and he’s fond of eye-catching shots.

But the end result is curiously uninvolving. The goal, one presumes, is to showcase the drama of the last days of Louis XVI’s regime in all its tragedy, but there is a strange detachment to the way Jacquot and co-writer Gilles Taurand chronicle this fin du régime (in their adaptation of the award-winning 2002 Chantal Thomas novel).

The film, which opened the Berlin Film Festival this past February, covers this historical event through the eyes of one young woman, Sidonie Laborde (Seydoux). She’s is the queen’s reader – who has the rather unusual job of reading books to amuse Marie Antoinette (Kruger). And she’s a big fan of Marie Antoinette. In fact, it kind of looks like she’s in love with Louis XVI’s Austrian wife.

There is quite the sensual scene right at the beginning when the two women are lying in bed together with their faces just inches apart, and one of the odd wrinkles of this new take on these oft-covered events is that Jacquot focuses almost exclusively on the sensuality of the three main women here, Marie Antoinette, Sidonie and Gabrielle de Polignac (Ledoyen), a duchess who is the object of Marie Antoinette’s really quite obsessive affections.

Most everyone at Versailles goes into a panic when word filters back from central Paris that armed insurrectionists have stormed the Bastille. Most everyone except Marie-Antoinette that is. We don’t hear her mentioning anything about letting the peasants eat cake mainly because she’s still worrying about the state of her relationship with the duchess.

Sidonie becomes the go-between, bringing a message from the queen to the woman she adores, which puts the young admirer of the queen in an awkward spot.

Trouble is that everything remains on the surface here. Jacquot is so busy filming these three luminous actresses in the best possible light at the best possible angle that he forgets that even head-turning beauties could use some intelligent dialogue. There’s no particular insight into the French Revolution to be gleaned from this shallow drama. In fact, Louis XVI (Xavier Beauvois) basically makes a cameo appearance.

Jacquot does do a good job of capturing the mood of an aristocracy on its last legs, but he’s much less successful in bringing the story of these three women to life. Seydoux is really quite extraordinary as the idealistic servant to the queen, perfectly conveying the rush of mixed emotions messing her up, and Kruger is even better as Marie Antoinette. She has the distracted queen thing down-pat. But sadly, Ledoyen doesn’t have much to work with in this thinly-written role.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Review+Adieux+Reine/6784011/story.html#ixzz1xtj3FRat

And this: http://www.fempop.com/2012/06/14/lesbitastic-marie-antoinette-in-farewell-my-queen/


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Post  Elena on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:28 pm

I have to admit, it makes my stomach turn more than the Coppola film originally did. I guess because it is so much more clever, subtle and sensuous, with some superb performances. Yet the overall message is completely erroneous. For one thing, the court was mourning the Dauphin. Everyone, including Madame de Polignac, was in mourning clothes, not bright green gowns. And the Queen was completely wrapped up in mourning her son; she had backed away from Gabrielle and the Polignacs a great deal by then, although they were still devoted friends. I am so disappointed, once again. Crying or Very sad

Here is the trailer.

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Nothing original in following Hollywood's steps...

Post  JoJo-Lucy on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:47 pm

Hi Elena!

I just wrote a post on this on my blog HERE.http://enchantedbyjosephine.blogspot.ca/2012/06/to-all-marie-antoinette-aficionados-les.html

I'm soo disappointed that they'd create another unoriginal movie...Marie Antoinette continues to be maligned. I read Thomas's book ten years ago and can't remember it taking this approach..
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Post  Elena on Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:04 pm

Oh, excellent, thank you, Lucy!!!! Smile I'll blog it!! queen

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Post  Sophie on Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:07 pm

Elena wrote: For one thing, the court was mourning the Dauphin. Everyone, including Madame de Polignac, was in mourning clothes, not bright green gowns.

Well, as far as I remember, it was the same in the novel - Gabrielle wanted to "cheer up" the Queen with her clothes or something like that. But anyway, and despite all of the inaccuracies, the novel could show how life went on in Versailles after a Dauphin died. My favourite scene from the novel is when a woman meets Madame Laborde in the gardens and tells her that the whole aim of the parade before the Estates-General was to entertain the little ill Dauphin Sad I don't think this film can show a mood like that...
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Post  Elena on Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:19 pm

The book has many subtleties which unfortunately the film has reduced to mere sexuality. No

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Post  Julygirl on Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:23 pm

I personally did not like the book and the portrayal of Madame Polignac is one of the reasons. tongue
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Post  Elena on Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:34 pm

Here is an article on Madame de Polignac.
http://blog.catholicwritersguild.com/2012/06/madame-de-polignac-and-the-politics-of-calumny.html

Gabrielle de Polastron, Duchesse de Polignac, also referred to as “Yolande,” is usually portrayed in books and films as Marie-Antoinette’s “bad girl” friend, responsible for leading the young queen of France into a wild, decadent lifestyle. Often depicted as a greedy, spendthrift slut, Gabrielle preferred simplicity, was a devoted mother and loyal friend of both Louis and Antoinette. Part of the rehabilitation of Marie-Antoinette’s reputation is a careful look at her relationship with Gabrielle.


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Post  Sophie on Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:51 pm

Elena wrote:Gabrielle de Polastron, Duchesse de Polignac, also referred to as “Yolande,” is usually portrayed in books and films as Marie-Antoinette’s “bad girl” friend, responsible for leading the young queen of France into a wild, decadent lifestyle. Often depicted as a greedy, spendthrift slut, Gabrielle preferred simplicity, was a devoted mother and loyal friend of both Louis and Antoinette. Part of the rehabilitation of Marie-Antoinette’s reputation is a careful look at her relationship with Gabrielle.


Poor Gabrielle... this bad girl image is more funny if you think about her family life - I've read that she was soon a grandmother in 1789. And I simply can't imagine neither her nor Antoinette having a "wild, decadent lifestyle". Having fun doesn't obviously mean being a hedonist... especially those days! Razz
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Post  Elena on Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:59 pm

Yes, Sophie, Gabrielle was a devoted mother (AND grandmother) sunny whom Louis XVI hand picked for her discretion to watch over Marie-Antoinette.

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Post  Julygirl on Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:27 pm

I am liking this movie less and less. Here is a review from the New Yorker:
http://www.newyorker.com/arts/reviews/film/farewell_my_queen_jacquot
Benoît Jacquot’s historical drama, about intrigue in the retinue of Marie Antoinette (Diane Kruger) during the first days of the French Revolution, centers on Sidonie Laborde (Léa Seydoux), the Queen’s intellectually nimble but socially naïve young reader, who, like everyone else at the court of Versailles, is looking for a means of escape ahead of the bloodthirsty hordes en route from Paris. The Queen herself spends the end of her reign obsessed with her needlepoint, her jewelry, and, above all, her relationship with Gabrielle de Polignac (Virginie Ledoyen), ostensibly a governess, whose reputation for sexual adventure sets the royal circle’s licentious tone and fuels its scandalous reputation. Jacquot gazes avidly at this closed-in world of women; if his camera pressed any closer to them, it would be subcutaneous. The director and his actresses achieve a fevered intimacy—their urgent whispering is matched by his images of a tremulous immediacy. As the household of confectionary manners and tightrope-taut wiles of pleasure and power disperses, we witness the birth of Eurotrash. With Noémie Lvovsky, as Madame Campan, the Queen’s majordomo, who has the cold and commanding insight of a modern-day C.E.O. In French.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/arts/reviews/film/farewell_my_queen_jacquot#ixzz1zZcsbUX8

What an awful description of Gabrielle. What a Face No
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Post  Mata Hari on Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:32 pm

I agree. Here is a review from History and Women:
http://www.historyandwomen.com/2012/07/movie-review-les-adieux-la-reine.html

It confirms my suspicions.

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Post  Elena on Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:36 pm

And mine as well. Lucy is a member of this forum and I trust her opinions.

For those interested in factual history, this is probably not the movie for you. To begin with, Sidonie, is a fictional character, and the whole ‘behind the scenes’ of Marie Antoinette’s more than friendly love for la Duchesse de Polignac is the center and all of this movie.

If Sidonie is unlikeable- the same is even truer for Marie Antoinette, played by Diane Kruger. The French queen is portrayed as malignantly as she was in the ‘libelles’ of the time. Her role seems fitting to the rumours concocted about her. Her homosexual preference for la Duchesse is the only focal point of the movie. And, unfortunately, there is nothing charismatic or endearing about this self-serving Marie Antoinette.
http://www.historyandwomen.com/2012/07/movie-review-les-adieux-la-reine.html

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Blog post: Why so bad

Post  princess garnet on Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:51 pm

Came across this blog post by Gareth Russell about M-A on film and why they're duds:
http://garethrussellcidevant.blogspot.com/2012/08/golden-imaginings-why-are-movies-about.html
Repeating myths doesn't help for starters!

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Post  May on Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:56 pm

I absolutely loved that article. Gareth is so witty and insightful and such a talented writer!
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